For TruthTeller: No. 5 at Colonial

Here’s Jordan Spieth modeling No. 5 at Colonial.  You can see why Tiger Woods gave up trying to compete on this course.  That greenery behind Jordan fronts the Trinity River and lines the entire right side of the fairway, tee to green.  On the left?  The driving range, which is OB.

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Jack’s won there.  Jordan will, too.  Because they are shot makers.

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21 Responses to For TruthTeller: No. 5 at Colonial

  1. TruthTeller says:

    So like I said, “Damn near every” golf course favors long hitters, regardless of accuracy. This is one of the exceptions that results in “damn near” instead of the all encompassing “every”.

    • lannyh says:

      And like I said, “If you don’t win at Colonial or Riviera, you aren’t one of the greats. You have to be a shotmaker.”

      • Bird says:

        My definition of shotmaker is someone who works it both ways on demand. Zach Johnson is a one-way shotmaker, the draw. He’s won at Colonial (twice), as well as at more airy venues of Augusta, and St. Andrews. “Leaky’ Lietzke who couldn’t hit a draw if his life depended on it, also won twice at Colonial. There are also a collection of true shotmakers on the winners list, such as Pavin and Trevino and someone named Hogan, though the latter built himself into a largely straight hitter, out of hooking trauma.

      • lannyh says:

        It’s also about trajectory. You often have to keep it low, out of the wind. Quail high, as Texans say.

        Also, about hitting from all sorts of lies. Trevino could hit off of hardpan as easily as off of plush grass.

        I think a pro looking for a place in the history books needs to win at all types of courses, and Colonial and Riviera are in one category of that list.

      • RealityBites says:

        Well, looks like Rory won’t every be considered a great as he doesn’t play Riviera or Colonial.

      • lannyh says:

        Right. I expect he’ll play them before he ends his career.

    • lannyh says:

      My point was that this course, Firestone South, does so to a ridiculous degree.

  2. Bird says:

    A lot of people “gave up” on Colonial, whether it be its tour slot or sponsor. Colonial, Western Open, Canadian Open were all big boys at one time. That hasn’t been the case for maybe three, four, decades.Though Jack is sorry he never won a Canadian Open. I don’t hear any other similar sentiments, unless of course the player is Canadian or a Texan. The latter would apply to Mr. Spieth.

    • lannyh says:

      A lot of players on Tour can’t play Colonial because it requires shotmaking. Zach, Jack, Pavin. Today’s pros mostly want those wide-open TPC courses designed to be easy for the public who pays to play them. They move the tees back and call the pro quality.

      • RealityBites says:

        The guys that are super long now, would still be comparatively super long with dialed back equipment, whether it be balls and/or clubs. Dialing things back would give an even bigger advantage to the long knockers than it already does.

      • lannyh says:

        I don’t think dialing back the equipment would make any difference whatsoever, from a player-advantage standpoint, once you take the specifics of any given course out of the picture.

        Consider No. 18 at Chambers Bay as a par-4. If you make the gear longer, it’s no problem. If you make the gear shorter, it’s no problem. As it is, DJ and the long hitters have a tee shot, but the other guys didn’t!

        The reason to dial back the gear has nothing to do with player advantage. It’s to speed up play, stop obsoleting classic courses, use less water/chemicals, etc.

        The distance a person hits the ball, or the accuracy — the advantage they may or may not get is course dependent.

      • Bird says:

        Wildman Mickelson won Colonial twice. Troubleshooting. Going way back, Souchak!
        Shotmaking is an overworked word.

      • lannyh says:

        Look, you might want to post at GolfChannel.com. There is a certain amount of intelligence assumed among posters here.

        First, Mickelson is known for his imaginative play and shotmaking.

        But that’s beside the point. You keep pointing to a guy who hit 19 at blackjack and got a 2. Sometimes it happens, but it doesn’t mean it’s a logical trend.

        It’s like I’m saying, “It’s not smart to hit 19,”” and you say, “Oh, yeah? I know a guy who did and he got a 2.”

      • TigerFan says:

        ARE YOU EFFING KIDDING ME!

        “First, Mickelson is known for his imaginative play and shotmaking.”

        During Tiger’s run from ’97 to ’08 he was as good as it got when it comes to scrambling/putting. That’s precisely why he could hit it all over the yard and still score.

        If you dial back stuff, a guy like Tiger is not as far off line while still being 20 yards longer than the average player.

  3. Bird says:

    RB speaks the truth. Jack & Arnie were incredibly long with 1968 balls. Long irons easily went by others drivers. Couples, late 70’s, same thing. Dialing back is not the answer.

    • lannyh says:

      The answer to what? Are you drunk?

      • TigerFan says:

        Dialing back equipment allows the long hitters to become relatively straighter while still being longer. That would seemingly make it even easier for longer hitters.

      • lannyh says:

        Your analysis is good, but what does it do to the already “pretty straight, but shorter hitters”? Makes them even more accurate. (Which is kind of the thinking which led to “US Open setups,” and straight hitters having a great run for a while.)

        The purpose of reining in the equipment is not to make the game “fairer for short hitters.” It’s to make rounds quicker, save water, retain old classic courses, etc., etc.

      • Bird says:

        The answer to what you said. Now take your meds and lie down.

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