Monday British Open Semi Live Blog

BREAKING NEWS!  Shocker: Tiger Woods Drops to OWGR #258!!

41-23-12-55-8-37 — Zach Johnson Wins the Weather Lottery Open

Nothing against Zach; he’s a great guy, a great player, and a great champion.  But give Jordan those tee times, and we’re looking at a guy needing a win at Whistling Straits to complete the Slam.

2:35 pm  Jordan Spieth Comes Up Short in the Weather Lottery Open


12:20 pm  That chip of Jordan’s could have gone in for the same price.  (To borrow a Nick Faldo line.)

8:40 am  This is a big day for golf.  I feel kind of nervous, like when I was a kid and my favorite football team was about to play a big game.  I bet a lot of people really did take off work today.

Nothing against Mickelson, but his blowup on No. 17 means ESPN won’t be talking all day about “Phil in the clubhouse at -11.”  One less distraction so they can focus on the leaders.

7:25 am  This is a science, and when Woods is shown when he’s out of contention, he gets bonus money from Nike, and Nike gets “free” advertising.  This is a reminder the money involved is quite significant:

rov7:25 am  Song of the Major:  Holiday Rohhhh-ooohh-ooohh-ooohd

A contender to Rory’s “Hall of Fame”:

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183 Responses to Monday British Open Semi Live Blog

  1. Ken says:

    Mickelson is like Palmer when Arnold was in his mid 40s. Still looks as good as ever, until it’s time to putt.

    • Ken says:

      Mickelson tee-to-green through 12 holes has hit 59-caliber shots. But he’s only -4.

      • lannyh says:

        Course looks fairly benign right now. I hope it stays this way, but I guess wind and rain is expected. With this bunched of a leaderboard someone only four strokes or so behind the leaders could play in substantially different weather. I don’t like the leaders being punished by playing well the first three days (and therefore getting the late afternoon playing rounds when weather is often the worst of the day).

  2. Ken says:

    All these amateurs tearing it up means two things:

    1. They’re talented young players.
    2. The Old Course is about as difficult as your typical municipal course.

    Schneiderjans posting a great round through 10. Rather than being hatless, he should be wearing a hat that says something like “Your name could be here” like an empty billboard that you drive by. He turns pro after this and that head will no longer be hatless. Kind of shame the way though; it’s a good throwback look.

    Hate those VW commercials with the old women and the one with the one with those two guys who won money playing fantasy sports. However, I could watch the Christie Brinkley one over and over.

  3. Sports-realist2 says:

    If you don’t think golf is MENTAL, just check out Dustin Johnson since Friday…..He’s now playing this course like it has alot of trees, water, big foots, and loch ness monsters on it……
    Just think how much money was lost on DJ after the 2nd round…..You just wonder had he NOT been leading, and instead been one or two shots back after the 2nd round, would he have played totally differently in these last two rounds….

    • lannyh says:

      Yeah, there’s a bit of a pattern for sure, but, that said, with that tightly-bunched of a leaderboard, a 2-1 favorite with a small lead on Saturday night seems a bit optimistic. I’ve always felt, though, that bettors generally put way too much emphasis on the leader after two days. That’s only halfway home.

    • Ken says:

      Something you said yesterday about it being Harmon’s strategy to play conservative was interesting. You have to wonder.

      Harmon refused to talk about DJ’s round yesterday after it was over. I wonder if he’s feeling some heat.

      • Sports-realist2 says:

        As I stated yesterday, I think Harmon convinced Johnson to CHANGE his strategy for the weekend…This went from attack mode to ‘laying up’ mode…
        Harmon has convinced Eldrick, Phil, and now Dustin to change their strategies, with mixed results in majors….

  4. Ken says:

    Phil smacked the hotel. Could feel that one coming. He has a lot of trouble finishing rounds anymore.

    At least he didn’t play it safe. He knew he needed to post a really low number and went for an overly aggressive line on his drive.

  5. JoseyWales says:

    Just read this from Joel Beal on Golf Digest website: “In Defense of St. Andrews. Why Are Low Scores Such A Bad Thing?”

    We have one of the most exciting Majors ever in progress right now…everybody is in it…fight to the finish…yet hacks like Geoff Shackelford keep trashing St. Andrews, the golf ball, The R&A, speed of the greens and everything else he can think of…low scores are fun…get over it and enjoy it.

    • lannyh says:

      I don’t think it’s the low scores, it’s that the R&A doesn’t like the low scores, and therefore tricks up the course so that golf can’t be played there on a sunny day. Ten of thousands of fans saw almost nothing on Saturday, and they have to finish on Monday. If you roll back the ball, the R&A wouldn’t have to cut the greens so short.

      It was amusing that while play at St. Andrews had to be stopped, other courses in the area had play as normal on Saturday.

    • Ken says:

      I’m on Shackelford’s side personally. I get what you’re saying and this will be fun today. Lots of great players all facing the same course.

      A lot of commentators will defend St. Andrews, saying that fans want to see birdies and eagles. What really are birdies and eagles though? They’re just a term based on a number on a scorecard. If they’re so easy to get, what’s special about watching them? I play this little 1950s-era mom-and-pop course near here that is simply outdated. They keep it in wonderful shape, but it’s not challenging at all. My brother-in-law gets all happy to make a “birdie” on a “par 5” there that I can hit with a driver and a nine iron, sometimes a wedge. The card very generously says 451 yards. It’s lucky to be 400 and the only tough thing about the hole is a massive, sloping green. To me, that “birdie” 4 is nothing more than a par. St. Andrews isn’t that bad of course, but it’s too easy. They’re taking too many shots right out of the game. Driver/wedge golf.

      I’d rather see a more challenging course for a major championship. Golf should be a test of all skills, not just driver, wedge, and putter.

      • Sports-realist2 says:

        yeah when you have SO many amateurs out there with the chance at winning, that tells me this course needs UPDATED or ELIMINATED…..

      • Ken says:

        Exactly about the amateurs. When the course puts so much emphasis on driving the ball far – one of the things that young, strong players do best – it leads to very low scores for a lot of unexpected players.

      • JoseyWales says:

        Roll back the ball so Dustin Johnson’s ave. drive is reduced from 320 to 290?…and Jordan Spieth’s ave. drive is reduced from 290 to 260? WTF are you talking about?
        Rolling back the ball would only PENALIZE the short hitters, not help them…the long bombers would still have a huge advantage.

      • lannyh says:

        That’s illogical. The bunkers are positioned right now where the long hitters can fly them.

        Look, people have been going over the data for decades. You expect to make two or three simple, obvious off-the-cuff remarks and people go, “Gee, we never thought about that.”

    • DanishDude says:

      Here’s what G-Mac said:

      Q. Do you think the Old Course will stand the test of time?

      GRAEME McDOWELL: We were talking about it the first couple of days. The bunkers are starting to become — a lot of them are not in play anymore, when you see the type of power that these guys are kind of using and putting on the golf ball. You start to see an old test like this one and start to wondering what they can do with it to keep it up to sort of modern times. I mean, like I say, the bunkers are just not really in play enough. And I think, with a little bit of a tweak sort of here and there and tighten up some areas, make guys think a little bit more on some of the tee shots — I don’t think you’ve got to go put a ton of yardage on this golf course. I think if this golf course just had a tiny bit more rough and the bunkers were slightly up to modern yardages, you know, I think this golf course is still all there in front of you. The greens are its protection, and unfortunately driving the ball is just too easy this week. I’m hitting driver nearly 14, 15 times out there. There’s just no deterrent out there to keep driver in the bag. There’s not enough rough left of 17 there, for example. 2010 left of 17 wasn’t very pretty. This week it’s perfect. That’s all there is to it. There just isn’t quite enough rough this week, and like I say, a few of the bunkers are just a little bit out of date from where they’re positioned, but this is a fantastic golf course, and it doesn’t need a complete rejig. It just needs a little bit of reshaping here and there.

      • Ken says:

        G-Mac is right. Good stuff. They can’t make it longer, but grow more gorse and punishing rough.

  6. Sports-realist2 says:

    Gosh Azinger must be getting paid by the Eldrick reference….I’m not sure why his angle is sooooo eldrick centric, when azinger got to see that other guy called Jack Nicklaus…….

    • Ken says:

      Remember buddy, Eldrick is “a dreamer. No one dreamed more than him.”


      Did Azinger get taken to the woodshed over his “hack” comment the other day?

      • Sports-realist2 says:

        Azinger said he also BREATHED better than anyone else? ‘insert swear word here’!!!!!!!! my gosh Azinger is truly embarrassing himself…..

      • Sports-realist2 says:

        I’m starting to think that Azinger works as a Perkins waitress in Florida on the midnight shift…just a hunch…

  7. Sports-realist2 says:

    I think we all agree that Tom Rinaldi and Todd Lewis’ questions affected Dunne on #1……

  8. Ken says:

    This is why I’m glad that Dunne isn’t with Jordan.

  9. Sports-realist2 says:

    This has playoff written all over it….

  10. Sports-realist2 says:

    They had a 4 man playoff when Ernie Els won it…..

    • Sports-realist2 says:

      Just thinkin how these last two majors MIGHT be Adam Scott’s last best chances to win, since he won’t have that anchored putter anymore….

  11. Ken says:

    Fun to watch, but this just doesn’t feel like a major. More like the Shark Shootout or Fred Meyer Challenge.

    • Sports-realist2 says:

      Compare the scores to the last 2 times it was held here…-16 and -14…Today that score is just part of the pack…

      • Sports-realist2 says:

        Today the players HAVE to figure out that hitting LONG is almost impossible on these SLOW that includes chips too….so far most have been hitting short, short, short..

  12. Ken says:

    This is setting up well for Jordan’s late heroics.

    • Sports-realist2 says:

      really surprised spieth didn’t chip that from over 30 yards…It’s a rather simple chip vs a very long putt…..

  13. Sports-realist2 says:

    15 under for a playoff imo…..

  14. Sports-realist2 says:

    Spieth is as tough as they come…

  15. Sports-realist2 says:

    I’m sure we can all say we don’t want Leishman to win…lol….

  16. Sports-realist2 says:

    yep -15 looking really good right now…

  17. Sports-realist2 says:

    Looks like leishman will win this, barring a choke on 18…

  18. Sports-realist2 says:


  19. Kris says:


  20. Sports-realist2 says:

    Suddenly with ONE measily putt left on 17, Jordan could outright win this thing at -16…boy back and forth leaderboard….

    • Sports-realist2 says:

      well now you could have both day and spieth birdie for a 4 man playoff on 18, but now must makes…yikes…don’t forget about louis either, possibly 5 man….

  21. Sports-realist2 says:

    can Spieth stick a close shot on 18th…..looks like a decent angle…

  22. KingLouie says:

    C’mon Louie! Birdie-Birdie finish to steal this thing!

  23. TruthTeller says:

    And Good-bye Grand Slam Talk

  24. Sports-realist2 says:

    Could it possibly be a MORE uninteresting playoff than Zach and leishman???????

    • Sports-realist2 says:

      ok maybe louis will join them…..can spieth luck on in…

      • Sports-realist2 says:

        and to kinda add insult to injury, why would Leishman even be there or Zach for that matter…both leishman and zach shoot -6 today……

      • Ken says:

        Never was a big Z. Johnson fan. No issue with him, but kind of boring

        Leishman is a nice player. He’s had two awesome rounds. Wasn’t he rookie of the year not long ago?

  25. TruthTeller says:

    That 4 putt Double was the downfall.

    • Ken says:

      He just crushed the first one.
      Then the short miss.

      • Sports-realist2 says:

        I mean mentally you always think you HAVE to use a putter, but on the other hand, as golfer myself, if you were to say “hey I’ve got a 30 yarder to get up and down”…Most pros would do that about 90-95% of the time, esp on a perfect condition like a green… as we found out, it would have taken the DOUBLE BOGEY away…..which as we know, he ONLY needed ONE more stroke…

      • Ken says:

        Double bogey came from missing a putt that you just can’t miss.

        At St. Andrews, the players actually practice those massive putts.

    • Sports-realist2 says:

      well sure…he had 35 yards, and he should have chipped it instead of putting a 100 yard putt, which is total bs as a golfer to get it close….

      • Sports-realist2 says:

        100 feet putt I mean…

      • TruthTeller says:

        Well he was technically on the green so I’m sure chipping it was never even considered. Should have just tried to lag it inside 20 feet and take the 3 putt, which was the most likely outcome from that position.

      • Ken says:

        I don’t think it was a bad decision. He just hit a terrible first putt. And three-putting after that was inexcusable.

    • Ken says:

      Surprised he missed the putt on 17. Certainly no gimme, but very makeable.

      Damn near made the one on 18. Great player.

  26. Sports-realist2 says:

    Ok 3 man playoff…..Have to say I like Louis to win it…..

  27. GolfFan says:

    Not really a fan of ZJ so I don’t know why, but I find myself kind of rooting for him

    • Sports-realist2 says:

      Zach is a good guy, it’s hypocritcal to not like any of them I guess… I just view it that Leishman may have used up all his great golf with the finish of the round…He’s had to wait a long time….Now distance off the tee should favor Louis over Zach…Ofcourse we’ll see……

  28. Kris says:

    Jordan Spieth did exactly what Arnold Palmer did in 1960. Not bad company to keep.

    Now starts the least watched 3-man playoff in the history of golf. I’m pulling for Zach Johnson, but congrats to whoever wins.

  29. Ken says:

    Two major champions and a really good young player in a playoff.

    I’d rather it be Jordan, but this is a nice group of players.

  30. lannyh says:

    Well, Jordan got the worst of the draw. They made him play in silly conditions Saturday morning, which probably cost him at least one stroke. (Hikdeki played out the night before and got birdie; Jordan finished in wind and took three to get down from just off green.) And he played more of his round in bad weather today than the average player in the field. He gave it a good go, but it’s disappointing that it ended like it did. If he had made playoff and lost, fine, because all players would have had the same conditions. I think Zach and Leishman both had Saturday off, playing their second round in the good conditions and daylight.

    Oh, well, I’m too disappointed right to care much about the playoff one way or another. Before the tourney started, I would have taken Oostie over the other two, but right now, I am too disappointed to have much of a rooting interest.

    • TruthTeller says:

      Remember that tap in Louie had that turned into a 6 footer for the save Saturday morning? Stuff happens. I think they said jordan had something like 6 three putts and a 4 putt. That won’t get it done. He was pretty lucky to be as close as he was.

    • Ken says:

      It is rather anticlimactic.

    • Kris says:

      Jordan was lucky to be as close as he was. He got a lot of good and bad breaks all week and he made his own luck enough times that I think he finished where he deserved to finish. I was pulling hard for Jordan, but I’m a Sergio fan, so I’m used to crippling disappointment.

  31. Sports-realist2 says:

    Tom rinaldi sounds like he molests puppies…

    • Kris says:

      LOL, that’s the best description of him I’ve ever seen. His goal every interview is to make people cry. Glad Jordan didn’t take the bait.

  32. Sports-realist2 says:

    And then there were two—-most likely…

  33. Ken says:

    Leishman needs to make a very special shot on 17 to have any chance at all.

  34. SpinDoctor says:

    Weather Lottery Open. That’s grand.

    Louie played in all the same conditions and managed to get to the playoff. Face it, Jordan just had too many unforced miscues and came up short as a result.

  35. Sports-realist2 says:

    gosh JUST saw the last guy go and have the same putt…he tried to finesse it in…you ram that one…

  36. Sports-realist2 says:

    So louis putted it when he should have chipped on 17, then he chipped it when he should have putted it on 18…

    • GolfFan says:

      He was on the green on 17

      • Sports-realist2 says:

        oost totally choked on 17 and 18..they said he could have used either…..just a terrible decision to chip that on 18……

      • GolfFan says:

        I agree with you on 18 for sure. 17, like I said, he was on the green and you put that every time. Now, in regulation he was in a similar position but off the green and he did chip that one.

  37. Sports-realist2 says:

    57 feet away, you can control it from spinning back, for louis to have such a great short game, that was amateur down the stretch…

    • Ken says:

      Yeah that was a poor pitch.

      • Sports-realist2 says:

        he also got to see lieshman on his 2nd and 3rd shots hit almost identical hits, and he did nothing different…..i still can’t believe he didn’t putt that on 18…that wasn’t high rough at all, just mere hilly fringe….the tendency on that with a wedge is to go LONG because u don’t want to spin it back, and that’s exactly what he did…..

  38. Ken says:

    They got the tearful interview that they wanted.

  39. Sports-realist2 says:

    This almost reminded you of the 2009 Open when Cink won it….ALL the build up for Tom Watson…. ALSO remember Cink made a LONG putt, like Zach did, to finish his round……
    Oh well, as anti-clamatic as it is, Zach won it fair and square, but it just shows you a caddy is important in the decision making process…..

    • lannyh says:

      Great comparison. I can report this: I feel as bad now as I did when Watson lost.

      • Ken says:

        I’m a little down, but nothing like 2009. You knew that Watson would never have another shot. And I actually think that winning a major at 59 would have been the greatest achievement ever in golf. 26 years after your last major. 11 years older than the next oldest major winner. 6 years older than the next oldest tournament winner.

        Jordan is going to be around for another 20+ years.

  40. Ken says:

    Zack had the tough half of the draw on day one. He was out in high afternoon winds and shot 66, just a great score that day. The draw after that was messed up by the weather, but I don’t think anyone got a raw deal or bad luck at all.

    I don’t think you can blame the draw. Jordan must missed way too many putts.

    • Sports-realist2 says:

      well the half hour on day two that both Spieth and DJ had to play LITERALLY 7 or 8 shots before calling it again, was a key moment…..Spieth parred it while Dustin bogeyed, while Matsuyama finished the night before and birdied it….There’s one stroke right there…..
      To me that was a very UNIQUE moment that can’t be overlooked…That was on the r&a and it definitely affected both the leaders….

      • Sports-realist2 says:

        Louis can say he missed TWO putts of less than 10 foot on both 17 and 18 to in overtime to lose it…..

  41. Honesty says:

    And if Jordan didn’t take 37 putts in round 2, he would have won.

    Pretty obvious that anything but a Jordan W wasn’t going to be satisfactory and you were going to blame things other than his self-inflicted miscues if it happened, which it did.

    Had he won, this would have been the greatest event in history. There would have been no talk about bad draws and unfair conditions, etc. Well, either that or you would have been going on and on about how heroic it was of Jordan to brave all those nasty conditions to come out on top.

    • lannyh says:

      Dose of reality: Pros are precise putters. Putting for “wind break” makes it a guessing game.

    • Sports-realist2 says:

      EVERYONE was complaining about the round 2 rain delay SINCE friday, including the media….Anytime you lose by one stroke, something like that has to be considered….

      • Honesty says:

        Like I said, the only reason the weather is a topic at this point is because Jordan didn’t win. Had he won, the weather would be an after thought at this point.

      • lannyh says:

        Topic or not, who cares. The point is that Jordan was “weather lotteried” out of this win.

      • Honesty says:

        The only reason you are complaining about “weather lotteried out of it” is because he didn’t win. Had he made a couple more putts (had fewer 3 jacks) and won, you would not be talking about “Weather Lottery Open”.

        And don’t even try to tell me he missed those putts because of weather. The 4 putt happened today, when the weather was not that bad, and 2 or 3 of the other 3 putts at least happened outside of that 30 minute window Saturday.

      • lannyh says:

        If he was on the bad side of the Weather Lottery and still won, what would be to complain about?

  42. Sports-realist2 says:

    Hey, at least someone who DID play at the John Deere and DID NOT go early to Scotland STILL won the British Open…..

  43. Sports-realist2 says:

    Just amazing how the golf channels pretends to overlook the ‘steroids’ allegations on eldrick, and just pretend he was clean as a whistle…..talking about the 2017 eligibility of the hall of fame…you HAVE to believe between now and then more Blood Sport stuff is going to come out……

    • Sports-realist2 says:

      personally, I think that Eldrick’s steroid use is one of the biggest attempted corporate coverups in sports history……..

      • TigerStillGreat says:

        Yeah, based on what’s out there right now, it’s pretty clear he did something. I’d just like to know more specifics like when he started, when he stopped (presuming he did) and what exactly it was and the associated benefits. Something “official”.

      • lannyh says:

        For sure. They tried to tamp down the sex scandal, too. Follow the money.

    • lannyh says:

      Oh, no. It will come out AFTER he is safely enshrined in the Hall of Fame.

  44. RankingsROverated says:

    At what point do we stop caring about Tiger’s OWGR? I mean I stopped caring once he was outside WGC territory but somehow the media keeps talking about it.

  45. Sports-realist2 says:

    Hey Lanny, so assuming, and IMO it’s not much of an assumption, Eldrick should miss the cut at the PGA Championship, he would not play any more this year(unless he’s playing in a podunk event)…. So is there any guesstimate on how far he will drop in rankings?
    There’s 10 events left in the PGA calendar before the Presidents Cup(yawn), but 4 of those are the Fed Ex cup tournament…So I’m not sure if that effects a players owgr or not, or is that considered a ‘Money’ tournament, that really doesn’t do anything for the golfers rankings?

    • lannyh says:

      I think he has to play in the this year. rory is supposed to, as well. But if you assume woods collects no further points this year, he would lose about 21/92 of his current ranking, so it would put him approximately… #332.

  46. JoseyWales says:

    I thought you guys all said this a bomber’s course? Is Zach Johnson now a bomber?

    • lannyh says:

      He won the Weather Lottery.

      • JordanFanatic says:

        It’s pretty clear that you are a Tiger Woods level fan of Jordan Spieth. Jordan can do no wrong and the reasons he doesn’t win have nothing to do with his own play and everything to do with other factors. In other words, stop making excuses for your boy. His putting was off, period.

      • lannyh says:

        Stop being silly. The course was a joke. The weather was a joke. The R&A was a joke. Jordan had a chance to do something really special, and he didn’t get the chance. People are disappointed. It’s like making the Super Bowl players wear skates and play on an ice field.

      • lannyh says:

        Jordan finished one shot out of the lead and they put them on the course on Saturday morning, which cost him at least one stroke, the difference between making the playoff. They pulled them off the course because their decision to put them on the course was so bad.

      • JordanFanatic says:

        Yeah, the course was a joke…..because Jordan didn’t win.

        Sure the decision to put them back on the course was wrong, possibly costing Jordan a stroke (there was no guarantee he would have made birdie). He did par both holes he played. But what about the chip that didn’t fall today? What about the 4 putt? What about the 5 3 putts during the week? What about the approach to 18, the 72nd hole, that ended up in the Valley of Sin even though he was only 100 yards out? Hell, for as many putts that Jordan missed, Louie probably missed more! And he still made the playoff playing on the same side of the draw as Jordan.

        To you, and some others, none of that stuff matters. It was the weathers fault and the R&A’s fault.

        He didn’t get a chance? He had to go par-birdie to get in the playoff. He went bogey-par. But nope. It was the par he made on Saturday on the par 5 when Matsuyama made birdie the night before that cost him the tournament.

        Look, I’m not saying it’s not disappointing that he didn’t make it, but to key in on one hole, when there are so many other clear examples where he could have made up for it, but didn’t, is, as you say, silly. All those other examples put the “blame” on Jordan, but you’d much rather avoid that, because Jordan is perfect, and put it on other things.

        Last example. Louie and Jordan both needed par-birdie to make the playoff. One of them did.

      • lannyh says:

        You seem to think Jordan is some kind of superhero who should never miss a putt and win by 20 every week. He’s not. He’s the best golfer, sure, but he can’t spot strokes to other players. Jordan hit some bad shots and missed some putts he would have liked to make. But do you think Zach Johnson didn’t have misses, too?

        These guys have a very thin line between winning and finishing close. Jordan didn’t have the strokes to give away this week, but the R&A took them anyway.

      • lannyh says:

        Here’s what I wrote two days ago:

        10:20 am Cancel This Sham of a Tourney; Tom Watson and the Bridge

        I’m sorry. I cannot recognize this sham of a tournament as a major. I nominate the best tournament of the Florida swing as a replacement: the Valspar.

      • JordanFanatic says:

        Quite the opposite. Jordan is very good, but he’s no superhero and he’s susceptible to mistakes like everyone else. This week he had a few too many.

        You would like to point to the debacle the R&A made by putting them out there Saturday morning, likely because that takes the blame away from Jordan. I’d much rather look to the 4 putt he had today, or missing the green on 18 from 100 yards.

        You act like it was a given that Jordan would have gotten up and down from that lie on the par 5 14th under any other circumstances. That’s subjective because there was no guarantee. What we do know is Jordan 4 putted today. He went Bogey-Par when he needed Par-Birdie today.

        And finally, if you don’t recognize the British as a major than I guess a win by Jordan here would have been no big deal. I wonder why you chose the Valspar instead? Oh wait, didn’t Jordan win that this year? That’s convenient.

      • lannyh says:

        Again, Jordan is not perfect. He can’t have strokes taken away from him. And there is no “blame.” It’s just a matter of looking at what happened.

      • JordanFanatic says:

        Well what about the strokes that he himself threw away. There was 1 shot “taken away”. There were half a dozen that he himself threw away.

      • lannyh says:

        For the third time, Jordan is going to “throw shots away himself.” But so does everyone else. What Jordan couldn’t handle was the R&A throwing shots away for him!

        Before you type anything else, be sure you absorb that.

      • JordanFanatic says:

        I have absorbed that. What you haven’t absorbed is the idea that that one shot happened in Round 2. He had a little over 36 holes to make up for it, having plenty of opportunities, and failed.a

        The other thing is you are assuming that he was going to get that up and down under any other circumstance. You can’t possibly say that with any certainty. He could have. But he might not have also.

  47. JoseyWales says:

    “Not fair”…”St. Andrews is too easy”…”Dustin Johnson has an unfair advantage”…”he bombs it over the bunkers”…”Dustin is playing a different golf course”…”Dustin making St. Andrews look like a pitch and putt course”…”It’s over”…”Dustin wins easy”

    2015 Open Championship Final Scores and Leaderboard from St. Andrews:
    Dustin Johnson, T49. He barely made the Top 50…”Roll Back The Ball!” lol

    • lannyh says:

      I certainly never said DJ was my pick to win. And St. Andrews DOES favor long hitters. I don’t understand why you would even quibble over this. It’s like saying Augusta doesn’t favor lefties.

    • Ken says:

      St. Andrews is too easy and the ball does go too far.

      Outside of the road hole and a couple of others, what does St. Andrews have? A bunch of holes that you hit wedges to, often without even needing a driver from the tee.

      The quote from GMac posted above is good. Plant more rough, more gorse. Make the players actually try to hit fairways instead of intentionally hitting 50 yards at least left to avoid any trouble.

    • Sports-realist2 says:

      Dustin Johnson is one of those classic TALENT 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, but MENTAL TOUGHNESS way down the list…
      Again, he changed his strategy in the Third round(IMO it was at the suggestion of Harmon)….He went to the ‘PREVENT OFFENSE’ and he looked like a totally different golfer……I doubt they make that mistake again….

  48. Anonymous says:

    There are no excuses for winning! Zach went out there and took the tournament today. Bad draw/good draw…..he won. 2 time major champ, and 12 wins. Creeping up on the Hall of Fame if you ask me.

    • Ken says:

      I think he sealed the HOF today. The Couples standard guarantees that now, though I think Zach has earned it now.

  49. JoseyWales says:

    One of the greatest finishes in a Major ever and all you babies can do is cry, cry, cry. Congratulations Zach Johnson for a gritty, gritty win by a player with true class. No cocaine problem…no adultery…no deer spray…no PEDs…just fine golf under the highest pressure on the biggest stage.

    • Ken says:

      I agree with you. Zach won it. He made the big shots where others failed. It wasn’t weather or bad breaks.

  50. JoseyWales says:

    What do Tiger Woods and Zach Johnson have in common? Both are 39 years old.

    • Sports-realist2 says:

      they really are the antithesis of each other….

      • Sports-realist2 says:

        Zach has been in the top 10 in the British Open 3 of the last 4 years….Last time it was at St Andrews in 2010, he was tied for 76th place……..

    • lannyh says:

      Yeah, I heard that today. I didn’t really know that. Woods’s career was very much front-loaded. Zach played mini-tours when young. Good story.

      • Jaybird says:

        I actually worked at on point with a guy who regularly played against ZJ in college and he said his game was no where near this level. He was essentially a run of the mill kind of college player.

        Looks like hard work and perseverance do payoff.

      • Sports-realist2 says:

        Also, the last time the PGA championship was at Whistling Straits in 2010, he finished tied for 3 at -10(-11 was winning score)……Remember the infamous Dustin Johnson sand trap incident…

      • lannyh says:

        Rory missed the playoff by one shot, but when he played the par-5 Snake, the network showed Woods, totally out of the running, finishing up on No. 18.

      • Kris says:

        Zach is a great guy and a great golfer. He’s fought hard to earn his spot in golf history. I love that Zach snatched victory from Tiger at Tiger’s own tournament in 2013. The look of blissful resignation on Tiger’s face when Zach holed that shot for par marked the beginning of the end. It felt like in the moment Tiger knew he’d never win again.

    • Sports-realist2 says:

      One more thing in common: after the PGA Championship, they will both be 40 by next year’s majors……I know I’m really good at math….

  51. Anonymous says:

    Tiger soon to be crowned Tiddly Winks champion of the world, unseating Lance Boil from this prestigious accomplishment. The crowd goes nuts ! Yeahhhhh !

  52. JoseyWales says:

    The winning score this year at St. Andrews was -15…the winning score at Augusta this year was -18. This is horrible! This is terrible! Outrage! Blasphemy! Roll back the ball! Dial 911!

    • Ken says:

      Were low scores like that due only to talent, that would be great. They’re not. It is technology. It’s somewhat artificial.

      Daly led the tour in drivivg 20 years ago. Everyone thought he was amazing. He averaged 289 yards.

      This year, the average drive is 289 yards.

      Short-hitting Zach hits the same distance today that long-hitting Greg Norman, Els, and Mickelson hit it 20 years ago.

      • JoseyWales says:

        “Daly led the tour in driving 20 years ago. Everyone thought he was amazing. He averaged 289 yards.”
        And where is John Daly today?

      • lannyh says:

        Google is your friend.

      • JoseyWales says:

        All you blind distance lovers are the reason Golf Digest, Taylor Made and Nike stay in business. Keep drinking the long ball kool aid…they love you for it.

      • Ken says:

        Don’t know what Daly is at now. He’s 49 and not relevant. I know that he was well over 300 a few years ago.

        The point is that the average drive today is the same as the longest drive 20 years ago. Courses haven’t changed that much. This greatly impacts the game and it has nothing to do with fitness.

        Nicklaus hit it farther at age 60 than in his prime.

        Don’t recall who wrote it as I’ve read a lot recently. But a golf writer this week estimated that a course would have to be over 9000 yards to match what players faced for relative club distances in Palmer’s prime.

        Some additional distance made the game better, IMO. It’s just gone too far.

      • Ken says:

        As for “where is Daly now?”, what about where Els and Mickelson are?

        20 years ago as young rising stars, they averaged 275. Now they hit it about 295 in their mid 40s. Is that because of fitness and weights? Or equipment? Mickelson practically lives at the Callaway R&D center.

  53. Barry Burn says:

    If Butch Harmon really did advise DJ to tone down his power game starting with Sunday, then it was a monumental error. imo.

    btw, I wasn’t pulling for Speith this week, but I definitely think he got screwed Saturday morning. I think he would have gotten up and down at 14 in better conditions.

    • Sports-realist2 says:

      It makes sense to me, Phil Mickelson a few years ago did NOT use his driver at a MAJOR for at least the first round….I forget the logic of doing so at the time, but it didn’t work, and he was Butch Harmon’s coach….Now can you imagine Phil taking the driver out of his bag on his own? I certainly can’t……
      Then in 2000 when Eldrick, on this same BURNT OUT St Andrews course at the time, didn’t even bother with his DRIVER, and won easily…..Again Butch was his coach at the time….

  54. JoseyWales says:

    PGA Tour Driving Distance Stats:
    Rank: Jordan Spieth T78…US Open Champion, Masters Champion
    Rank: Zach Johnson 164th…Open Championship winner

    240 players hit it farther than Spieth and Z. Johnson…yet none of them won a Major this year. How come?

    • lannyh says:

      Yeah, and a right-hander won Augusta. Therefore, Augusta does not favor left-handers. (Your logic)

    • Ken says:

      It takes more than distance.

      That doesn’t change the fact that the new balls are fundamentally changing the way golf is played. Maybe you prefer it that way. That’s fine, to each his own. I think its gone too far.

      ZJ was hittng wedges to those par 4s too. The Zach Johnson of 20 years ago was named Corey Pavin and he wasn’t hitting tons of par 4s with a wedge. He was a nice player, won a major. It’s not all about distance.

      • Sports-realist2 says:

        Yeah in some ways technology has closed the gap from the “not so long hitter” to the “long hitter”, just in different ways…They HYBRID is good example of that…
        After two rounds Dustin Johnson looked like he was a man amongst boys—-Driver, wedge, putt, birdie(rinse, wash, and repeat)…..
        Now had I NOT seen his US Open performance, I’d of told you, sure he’ll probably blow it, but he played TOUGH at the US Open, and just the 3 putt is probably why he didn’t win the thing….
        I would have liked to have seen more of his final round shots, as I don’t know if he was missing fairways, or 3 putting, or duffing chips or what…….Ofcourse they only show Eldrick when he is sucking and playing pathetic—which is all the time now…

    • Ken says:

      240? You realize that Spieth being 78 and Zach being 164 doesn’t mean 240 players are longer I hope.

      The equipment is making power less of an advantage in some ways. When a Zach Johnson can position it without taking a driver off the tee to set up a wedge on his second shot, the power of longer players is irrelevant when they’re doing the same thing

      • lannyh says:

        On some holes. If you have a hole that is 10 yards long, DJ has no advantage over Corey Pavin. But then no one ever claimed there was.

        However, on some of the holes at St. Andrews, DJ can fly it over the fairway trouble, Corey can’t. Huge advantage.

  55. JoseyWales says:

    Congratulations to the longest hitter in golf, Dustin Johnson, for his T49 finish in the Open Championship.
    And congratulations to the former longest hitter in golf, John Daly, for becoming the biggest waste of talent in history.

    • Sports-realist2 says:

      Kinda of interesting that between the two of them they have TWO majors(all by Daly)…Daly only had 3 top 10’s in majors, which is also interesting……
      I’d say MOST golfers on the PGA would take TWO majors for their career, as many don’t get ANY….
      Just think had Daly had the Nike ball for the 1995 year like Eldrick did in 2000, while everyone else was playing the wound ball…Daly was ALREADY hitting it farther than everyone else…..Be interesting if we had the ‘what if’ machine to find out if Daly in 1995 would have won at least two majors that season……

  56. Bird says:

    Zach Johnson and his looper winning was a waste of a week, in addition to the “weather lottery” and the mishandling of portions of by Paramor and company.
    Boy Jordan surprised me by choosing to position his 17 drive on the 2nd fairway. I expect one-way Zach to do something like that, but not BJ.

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