Saturday Greenbrier Semi Live Blog

Thought for Sunday:  Woods is T-47.  Last year at Greenbrier (and this year’s event is a little weaker even), T-52 got zero OWGR points at the Greenbrier.  Meaning that if Woods falls much farther tomorrow, he won’t get any points, that he might as well have missed the cut.

9:10 pm Update: Interesting comments in an article on the Woodsmanda Scandal:

If true, then these allegations, while not as shocking as the scandal that in retrospect derailed Woods’ career, are even worse because they involve a fellow pro’s (now former) wife. […] Woods has never been hugely popular with his peers, and something like this is likely to isolate him even more so.


There’s an air of resigned déjà vu all over again. And while the news reports that surfaced last week about Tiger Woods’ alleged affair with fellow pro Jason Dufner’s (now former) wife, Amanda, may not be true, no one is giving the dominant player of the modern era any benefit of doubt. He has lied about sexual infidelity before and, unfortunately, his credibility in such matters isn’t exactly stellar.

Here’s an article from the Sun Times that summarizes a funny week of Woods-Amanda Dufner, Phil and money laundering, and Donald Trump.  No one benefited more from Woodsmanda than Phil Mickelson, if you ask me.

6:40 pm Update: Plenty of Tiger Woods  The GC postgame show started late due to a overrun, so I turned it off and forgot about it.  I remembered and turned on my TV, catching only that last 30 seconds.  Golf Channel told the viewing audience that tomorrow’s coverage would have “plenty of Tiger Woods.”

2:35 pm Update:  Savoring that fine wine?  I had to laugh at Oberholser commenting about how Woods “is able to correct his problem on the course. After hitting OB, he was able to pipe one down the middle.”

As if every other pro keeps hitting big slices after an OB shot until they run out of balls and have to walk in.

1:30 pm Update:  Golf Channel always freaks out when Woods implodes.  I think Sir Nick is the only one who enjoys it.  By the way, GC will have a 20-minute pregame in between the end of GC coverage and the start of CBS.  It will be funny to see them devote half of it to Woods now that he is realistically out of it.

They go on and on about how, “If only…” and “If you take away those two bad shots, then…” and “His putting is okay, it’s just the driving” (or whatever).  As if that’s not true of every player on Tour — and no longer on Tour.

11:30 am Update:  Here’s another link to video of the illegal drop Tiger Woods took yesterday.  This one works great!  At least for me.  I had to watch a little ad for a movie first, but it went right into the video after that.  I don’t think there is any doubt whatsoever that it is a bad drop.  Like the guy said: “Pin high” with where it splashed.  Clearly he needed to go back some twenty yards.

I guess you could say he “didn’t know” where it went in, but it’s an illogical drop.  Simple geometry would tell you it was farther back; it didn’t make a 90-degree turn.  This is kind of like the “oscillating” ball in the rough.  Cheat, then plead ignorance.  This seems to be ingrained in him.  Let the legend shrivel.

I’m going to ask Tiger Tracker about it, but he’ll ignore me, I’m sure.

11:00 am Update:  I missed this from the U.S. Open.  Some guy heckling Tiger Woods with a call of “Lindsey Vonn.”  Speaking of Woods, he tees off in ten minutes, I think.  I found it interesting to look at the players teeing off around him.  Reed, Maverick McNealy, Morgan Hoffman.  Guys who have been getting their names in the news the old-fashioned way: they earned it.

Did Woods Cheat Yesterday?  There’s a lot of discussion about the drop Woods took on his water ball at No. 17.  Sky Sports has a good discussion — or so I heard.  I don’t know because the Sky Sports video won’t play in the U.S.  I guess if they figure if we Americans saw what real adult sports coverage was like, we’d revolt.  Anyway, here’s the link, courtesy of a reader.  If it works for you, and you feel like doing a transcript, I’d love to post it here.


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66 Responses to Saturday Greenbrier Semi Live Blog

  1. Anonymous says:

    Basically, commentator says “No way ball could have crossed margin there… At least 20 yards up from where it first crossed margin”

  2. DanishDude says:

    Here’s another link:
    It is clearly at least 20 yards (to me it looks like a lot more) from where he should have dropped it.

  3. TruthTeller says:

    I don’t recall which commentator it was but during the live telecast one of them said something to the effect, “The ball appeared to have crossed the margin nearly 80 yards back”

    • lannyh says:

      Did he? I don’t recall that, but I do remember them going through (very much a paraphrase here), “Huh? Stricker is hitting first? What? Huh? Well, okay.”

  4. Barry Burn says:

    It was well more than 20 yards. The ball went in the water by the little dike, but it crossed the hazard line considerably earlier than that, imo.

    Wasn’t there something similar to this at the Players a few years ago?

    • lannyh says:

      I just requested Tiger Tracker to comment. I estimated 30-80 yards.

    • HennyB says:

      Yes that was back in 2013. He was caught cheating four, count them, four times that year!
      1. Illegal drop from a bush in Abu Dhabi, issued two penalty results in missing the cut
      2. Illegal drop on 15 at the Masters
      3. Illegal drop at the on No 14 at TPC Sawgrass
      4. Ball supposedly oscillated at the BMW Championship. Caught on camera issued two shot penalty.

      • Sports-realist2 says:

        add to that ped’s/steroids, any relationship he’s had ect…And the media acts like a beaten housewife, who is convinced he loves them….

      • lannyh says:

        I’m getting a kick out of the guys on GC obsessing over Woods being two-under today. A guy who started 3 back of Woods is now 4 ahead of him. Bohn shot -9, course is playing quite easy; don’t expect GC to tell you that. They’d have you think 2-under is amazing.

      • lannyh says:

        Lingmerth, playing with Woods, is -5 on the day to Wood’s -2.

      • Sports-realist2 says:

        especially when the cut was what EVEN? anytime a cut is that high, the leaders are going to be that low….I think Angel Cabrera won this at around -16 under last year?

  5. HennyB says:

    Unbelievable! Why do they let this bum get away with this! He is such a disgrace to the game and anyone who plays the game of golf from a PGA professional right down to the weekend duffer. How is it that countless number of pro golfers go an entire career without so much as a questionable course of action, yet this man has been caught cheating and I mean cheating several times a year for how many consecutive years now? It all goes back to the TPC at Scottsdale in 1999 when the rules official allowed Tiger to enlist the crowd to help him move a “loose impediment” aka a 700 pound boulder that was in his way. Unbelievable! I guess he subscribes to the philosophy: “If your not cheating, your not trying hard enough.” Whatever it takes to get the “W” huh Tiger?

  6. Anonymous says:

    Why doesn’t someone call it into tournament officials and get it reviewed and him DQ for signing bad score card?

    • lannyh says:

      I don’t think you could. It would go down as an honest mistake, I think. It’s always a judgement call on precisely where it went into a hazard. And he definitely didn’t watch it. It was a bad drop, no doubt, but you can’t be sure he intended to cheat.

  7. Barry Burn says:

    Carry more than 1 ball back to the tee, Tiger. lol

  8. Sports-realist2 says:

    Oh a double bogey…Just turned it on and saw the Eldrick flag at half mast….

    • TigerHacker says:

      Yep, nothing ruins a round quicker than a double. Well, I guess a triple would but…you get the idea.

      • Sports-realist2 says:

        The golf channel treats EVERY shot of Eldrick like they are somehow sipping on some fine French wine or something………Ofcourse the golf channel has been sipping on sparkling grape juice for the last few years, but they can’t tell the difference….

      • lannyh says:

        “like they are somehow sipping on some fine French wine” — haha, very true. they savor every detail, giving their full attention.

  9. Barry Burn says:

    Loved how he flipped the driver cover back over his shoulder, lol.

  10. TigerHacker says:

    Tiger has one of my rounds going….pretty solid with the exception of a couple of holes. Too bad you gotta count all 18!

  11. GolfFan says:

    Round 3 leaders are 2 back but have to feel good seeing that there are low scores to be had. Vegas and/or Langley will get to at least -12.

    The other thought I had is it’s not a question of will there be a playoff. It’s a question of how many guys will be in it.

  12. DanishDude says:

    Here’s another view of the TW drop:

    This is from the PGATOUR blog. No way is that drop kosher…

  13. Ken says:

    TGC will be taking heart from this tournament. But it’s just typical of Woods the last two years. His best scores come on easier courses. Yes, 66 was a good round. Since then, 69 and 71, even par on just about the easier course on tour. T50. He’s back!

    • Sports-realist2 says:

      Not only that, but when you look at the leaderboard, it makes you think you are watching a SENIOR PGA event….Sure you recognize most of the names, but you also know it’s not an OVERPOWERING field…..

  14. Kris says:

    Tiger declined to talk to the media for the 2nd day in a row. He can happily talk about his rounds in the 80s, but not after a 69 and a 71? He doesn’t want to address his drop on 17 or taking Dufner’s sloppy seconds.

    • GolfFan says:

      Post round interviews are a waste of time. Tiger realizes that. Why anyone cares about them is beyond me.

    • Sports-realist2 says:

      Safe to say that might have something to do with Amanda Dufner, and a possible question…..It also shows you how the media can be slapped around, and they take it, because it’s rigged by an outside source(Steinberg and friends)…..

    • AmandaWoods says:

      I don’t understand this infatuation with asking Tiger about Amanda. Everyone knows he’s a POS off the golf course (and quite frankly on it too) so what do we gain by Tiger commenting on it? The fact that it’s even out there is pretty much confirmation that it’s true so chalk it up to his latest “accomplishment” and let’s move on to more important/relevant topics.

      • Kris says:

        You’re right, I don’t care if it turns out Tiger and Amanda are having a baby out of wedlock. However, talking to the media is part of the job of being a professional athlete, and avoiding pressers or screening questions is unprofessional in my opinion.

      • AmandaWoods says:

        Maybe Kris, but when was the last time a pro golfer said something of value in a post round presser? They are a complete waste of time.

      • Kris says:

        Tiger pressers generally suck, but sometimes golfers say good things. Jordan Spieth and Brandt Snedeker come to mind. I blame the golf media for not asking good questions and the golfers for being afraid to say anything remotely controversial.

      • Sports-realist2 says:

        Yes Amanda I mostly agree, HOWEVER, it’s also because the questions are NO longer asked, at least to certain golfers….Now if that’s a coincidence, I’ve got some land in Argentina I’m looking to sell on the cheap….
        Also, I think changing your last name is a bit like ‘jumping the gun’….I mean sure you’ve had an affair with std-boy, and probably gotten alot of lovely text messages, but why do you feel you have what it takes to make Eldrick stay on the couch and watch 60 minutes with you on Sunday night?

      • lannyh says:

        Oh, come on. They obsess over the guy. They went on and on and on about what a “good place” he was in with “Lindsey, whom his kids love.” Not to mention, he was T-26 after Friday, and he got 80 percent of the media coverage. One of the few other players who got coverage the past three years was Jason Dufner. Why? Because of Amanda Dufner. No golf wife got more attention than here, and she got a helluva lot more attention than Bryce Moulder during that period. She got more attention than Lydia Ko.

    • lannyh says:

      Oh, wow, again? This is getting weird now.

  15. Ace says:

    WTF?! Sam Sneed had 37….37! Aces! Bastard; I’ve been playing 25 years and don’t have a single one.

  16. OnlyGolfMatters says:

    In roughly 2009 Lucas Glover got divorced because he was cheating. DJ has a rep for breaking up at least 2 marriages. No media coverage and rightfully so.

    There is absolutely no reason to bring up the TW/Amanda stuff.

    • Sports-realist2 says:

      Yes, yes, yes, but it was the golf channel and others who decided to ENDLESSLY talk about TW’s with that skier chick…. So when things go south, suddenly the media should become like the crickets?
      The media coverup is to have it both ways, and make it a ‘barney and friends’ fantasy on one side of the coin, but ignore the REAL reality on the other……
      Since the media is COVERING up his image, the media is rigged, hence we need a REAL media to bring out both the good and the bad…..

      • lannyh says:

        Exactly! Barney and Friends coverage! I love you, you love me, we’re a happy family. Oh, wait, this happy family thing is untrue? Well, we should only cover golf, not personal lives!!

    • lannyh says:

      That’s a nice theoretical scenario, but in the real world, Lindsey Vonn and Woods’s children got more attention at Augusta than 85 percent of the golfers. You can’t have your cake and eat it, too. What the hell do I care about Tiger’s swing coach, or whether he’s “in a good place emotionally.” Just tell me if there was a birdie or bogey.

  17. GolfFan says:

    What a debacle. Thought Vegas/Langley were going to keep it going but both threw up all over themselves. This is wide open.

    • lannyh says:

      Yeah, those two were a big desappointment.

    • Sports-realist2 says:

      Ok, I saw this on the TW article on CBS, a supposed facebook comment….TELL me this isn’t a rigged comment:
      “I hope he’s back and healthy finally, he’s always gonna be one of Golf’s greatest but I think he belongs at the top as far as winning the most majors, the hell with the personal information that isn’t our business anyway. All these young players that have come up in his absence, Rory and the rest, are there because they wanted to be Tiger. He is Golf’s greatest ambassador.”

  18. PGATourRocks says:

    Give it up for Jason Bohn, Sean O’Hair, Sung Joon Park, and Bryce Molder! 4 horse race!

    Best. Tournament. Ever!

    • lannyh says:

      Lanny H Golf is endorsing Justin Thomas.

      • Josey says:

        I wonder how the players who are fighting and scratching and playing hard for their jobs feel about a guy getting a $1 million dollar appearance fee just to show up and hack around an easy golf course.

      • lannyh says:

        Ah, yeah, I forgot about that. Hack it up, and then refuse to do media afterward.

      • InterviewsAreWorthless says:

        Please….provide an example where a post round interview was worth paying attention to. I’ll wait.

      • lannyh says:

        Worthless or not, they do them. It promotes the Tour, and here is Woods refusing to do it.

    • Sports-realist2 says:

      Definitely has overtime written all over it….Wonder if the first playoff hole is the par 3 18th?

  19. JoseyWales says:

    Yah…we know…Appearance Fees are not allowed on the PGA Tour…(wink, wink)…but a one million dollar donation to the Tiger Woods Foundation is just fine (cough, cough).

    • Sports-realist2 says:

      sounds like you have a bunch of twitches Josey…:)

    • lannyh says:

      Right, or pay a million for a “golf clinic.”

      • JoseyWales says:

        Johnny Miller’s fee for a two day corporate clinic/outing is $30,000 plus expenses. Includes a couple of dinners, a speech, clinic and pro-am type playing outing with rotating playing partners. And people wonder why Woods keeps playing? The outside dollars are lucrative.

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