Chamblee Getting Cold Feet?

I’m not sure what to make of this.  Is Chamblee not willing to defend his contention?  Sobel has thus far been silent.  Why not put them both on Morning Drive and make it worth watching for a change?

Isn’t golf reporting journalism?  It’s not fiction, is it?  Chamblee seems very passionate and dogmatic about this on television.  You’d think he’d welcome the chance to set the record straight with Sobel.

We have this herd of All Tiger All The Time golf reporters who march in lockstep, and now when I find one difference between two of them, they get all uncomfortable?

Anyway, here’s Brandel seemingly backing off:

brandel3Give Brandel credit for responding, though.  Not all of them will do that.

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18 Responses to Chamblee Getting Cold Feet?

  1. Sports-realist2 says:

    Has Eldrick ever been asked if his swing was a part of some or all of the reason, he felt that his knee was an issue? Or did Eldrick state he has always had knee issues, and this just exasperated it….Again Eldrick is the one who said he needed to change his swing to stay HEALTHY….So what PART of his body needed to stay healthy—his pinky toe, his left earlobe? Eldrick has had to back out of events PRIMARILY due to his knee and back…..

    • lannyh says:

      You know, what’s kind of amusing to me is how, if we had that disagreement here, people would debate it directly, tooth-and-nail. But professional golf writers — getting paychecks, insurance, and 401K contributions — are afraid to debate this to a conclusion.

      In this case, I side with Sobel. I don’t recall anything about Harmon, but I do know when Woods went to Foley, he stated one of the reasons for the change was injury avoidance. I’ve written about that here.

      I can’t stand the intellectual laziness of those who can’t be bothered to learn and remember factual information. Like Craig Carton this morning saying Jordan Spieth has one PGA Tour win.

  2. JoseyWales says:

    Lanny…the number one thing to remember about golf writers and golf TV talkers…THEY DO NOT CARE ANYTHING ABOUT GOLF…they care about making money and keeping their jobs…the rest is window dressing. Despite their arrogance and bravado, they are among the most fragile and insecure bunch around. They are spineless and they are scared.

    • lannyh says:

      Very sad. You know, if you listen to these podcasts with guys like Shane Ryan, the NLU guy, even dear old Kyle Porter, they’ll take the gloves off, speak openly and freely of pretty much any and everything. Justin Thomas, the PGA Tour rookie was a guest on one of them and even HE was willing to be more provocative than the mainstream golf media.

      NBC is not afraid of conflict and controversy on their political channels. Why is only the Yay Tiger Yay mindset acceptable on Golf Channel? Why can’t someone say, “Brandel, Tiger hit it past Ernie with the help of the Rock Ishii ball! That’s not small factor. That wasn’t Butch’s swing that did it!” But that is simply unacceptable. Like I’ve said before, it’s like Tiger Woods is the American Olympic team and they expect all viewers to pull for him. Maybe in 2000. Not now. Now, to most golf fans, he’s the 1972 Soviet Union, but the Golf Channel acts like he is the 1980 USA hockey team.

    • lannyh says:

      Did any golf writer anywhere mock Steve Williams’s comment about being certain Woods never did PEDs — other than this joke of a webite run from my parent’s basement? They guy who claimed to know nothing of all the Woods hookups with prostitutes would tell us there is no way Woods did PEDs. The first reaction a thinking person has is to laugh. But did that occur anywhere else? In the comment sections, absolutely, but no one covering golf did it. Golf Digest and SI and Golf Channel didn’t laugh just as hard as I did when I heard it?

  3. Kris says:

    Brandel didn’t back off of his argument, he was avoiding a pot-stirrer induced flame war with his former coworker. Tiger has had knee and back issues since his college days. No swing coach caused or can fix these issues. It’s possible, but not provable, that Butch’s swing exacerbated his knee problems and Foley’s swing exacerbated his back problems. That’s the closest thing to facts you’ll get in this situation. Your last tweet was purely incendiary and I’m glad they both ignored it.

    • lannyh says:

      Yeah, it’s good they ignored it because actually substantive factual discussion might hurt someone’s feelings.

      If Chamblee is so hellfire sure he’s right, then Sobel is wrong. If Sobel is so hellfire sure he is right, then Chamblee is wrong.

      And they both ARE hellfire sure. Brandel has been railing about Harmon being able to fix Woods in just a few minutes. And Sobel said it was… how did he put it… “my least favorite argument in the history of arguments.”

      What you call “incendiary” I call a request for clarification, for resolution. I don’t see it as ignoring me, but rather the two of them being unwilling to stand behind their words.

      • Sports-realist2 says:

        Exactly, WHY can’t their be an argument? Why does it have to be Barney & Friends?

        Take the ‘ped’ question…..Why can WE, as golf fans understand that ped/connections/Woods seem to go together, BUT these sportswriters either CHOOSE to ignore, or are TOLD to shut up by their superiors to keep their jobs…..
        The fact that they DONT bring it up the POSSIBILITY of Eldrick/peds, seems that the ‘network heads’ have RIGGED the show/channel…..

      • lannyh says:

        Yeah, why doesn’t someone ever say, “Well, thing about Woods that bothers me is the Galea connection, and the way he kept shifting what he told the media about that. I don’t have any inside information or anything, but where there’s smoke, there’s often fire.”

        In baseball, they are keeping guys out of the Hall of Fame due to PED suspicions. But in golf, it can’t even be mentioned. And the Rock Ishii ball, my gosh. Like I said, Brandel is STILL going on about how damn far Woods hit his drives at Pebble Beach, but NO MENTION that he had a 10-yard-farther-and-just-as-straight golf ball! Give me a break!!

    • Kris says:

      This situation doesn’t have substantive facts. It’s all speculation. They’ve both spoken their piece independently, so why force them to fight on twitter or on TV or anywhere else? They won’t agree with each other, and you’ve already picked a side, so you’re just being a pot-stirrer. Granted, nearly all journalists are more concerned with keeping their jobs than speaking their minds, but I don’t think this situation is an example of that.

      Jason Sobel makes his email public. If you care enough, send him a non-confrontational email asking him why he doesn’t address topics you want addressed. Ask him if his on the record opinion ever differs from his off the record opinion. Sobel might have enough personal integrity to tell you why so many members of the golf media have no professional integrity.

      • lannyh says:

        You see things as “confrontational” and “incendiary” that I consider simply debate, or even conversation. If you look at the “About” section of this website, you’ll find a sloppy statement about honne and tatamae. I can’t remember which is which, but I pointed out this website is the one representing straight talk.

        Sobel could not have been any clearer. And neither could Chamblee; his reply today about the Easter Bunny was not ambivalent.

        I don’t see how a golf fan asking a professional golf reporter to “show his work” is out of line. Can you imagine Charles Barkley being too timid to defend his position?

        I’ll pass this on to one of the young gun reporters, and see if they will discuss it in one of their podcasts. Maybe the NLU guy.

      • Sports-realist2 says:

        Kris think of the SPECULATION that the golf channel has made of Woods through the years? It’s mind boggling just how much b.s. they’ve tried to tell US what everyone is thinking and feeling about one player…..Notah is probably a rather poor source for Eldrick news realistically, but the golf channel GRASPS at it hook, line, and sinker……So when you ask these fellows what their facts are, they suddenly become QUIET, since they are SPECULATING their azz off, they NEED to show their evidence, otherwise they are NOT credible……

      • Kris says:

        You seem to be getting tactless and confrontational confused. You are rarely tactless, but you are almost always confrontational. I don’t think there’s anything left to wring out of the “Tiger and Butch” debate. I’d rather hear them talk about something they’ve never talked about before. Why are you hesitant to open a private one on one dialog with a member of the mainstream golf media? It would be the best chance to get them to show their honne.

      • lannyh says:

        “Why are you hesitant to open a private one on one dialog with a member of the mainstream golf media?”

        I don’t follow. I pointed out the contradiction to both. They can do what they please. I do not have (nor desire) any special “private one on one” access.

  4. FactFinder says:

    So Tiger’s “Harmon Swing” seems to be the culprit for his bad knee/back. That’s interesting considering the bad knee/back issues became big issues during his “Haney/Foley Swing” days.

    • lannyh says:

      Well, I have a solid memory of Woods saying the Haney to Foley transition was due to injury prevention. (He could have just been saying that, but he did say it.)

      I’ll try to find a timeline of his operations. Sobel said the Haney swing was problematic; Chamblee says that theory is Easter Bunny silly.

  5. JoseyWales says:

    Guys like Chamblee are well aware a large corp. like NBC/Comcast is watching him…they own him. He knows he can only get away with so much before he crosses the line and gets fired. If NBC/Comcast had owned the Golf Channel when Tilghman blurted out her “lynch him in the back alley” slur she would be long gone. Chamblee knows only too well he can lose his job if he goes too far…when he prepares his show with his producers they are always thinking out loud, ” can we get away with this, or not”? Golf Channel’s plan with Chamblee has always been to pimp him as the next Johnny Miller, but the guy is just too wimpy to pull it off.

    • lannyh says:

      They must be pleased with DiMarco. He just said the biggest story heading into the U.S. Open is Tiger Woods. Paving the way for ruining yet another major with 24/7 All Tiger All The Time coverage when he isn’t even a factor.

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