Lanny’s Gift to You: Proof Positive Rory McIlroy is Better Than Tiger Woods Ever Was!

Look what’s under the Christmas tree, with a big, shiny bow!  Proof that Rory McIlroy is already better than Tiger Woods ever was.  Here we go…

Remember 2009 when Y.E. Yang beat Tiger Woods in the PGA Championship?  Tiger Woods was in his prime, winning seven tournaments that year.  This was before the sex scandal.  This was before Dr. Galea’s arrest.  We were told Woods was going to win 30 majors and blow by Jack.  That year, he won both Player of the Year and the FedEx Cup.  He won Associated Press Athlete of the Decade!  Woods was hitting on all cylinders, fully in his prime.

I’m sure you remember those days.  But, do you remember this?  Rory McIlroy finished in third place.  Yes, that’s right: a 20-year-old Rory McIlroy finished just two strokes behind the “immortal” Woods.  Young Rory, with one win on the European Tour and no majors finished two back.

Now, ask yourself Is Rory better now than he was in 2009, when his first major was still nearly two years in the future.  Well, duh.  He’s only about twice as good!!!

There you have it.  Irrefutable proof that Monty was right.  The Greatest Player of our lifetimes comes down to a battle between two men:  Rory McIlroy and Jack Nicklaus.

Have a great day, everyone.  Merry Christmas to you and yours!

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41 Responses to Lanny’s Gift to You: Proof Positive Rory McIlroy is Better Than Tiger Woods Ever Was!

  1. Anonymous says:

    Ror’s, at 25 has 4 majors and something like 15 W’s. TW at 25 had 5 majors and something like 30 W’s.

    • Anonymous says:

      Lanny doesn’t like facts. he likes to make crap up!!!!!

      • Scratch1957 says:

        Lanny H does NOT make things up! He tells the truth, nothing but the truth and the whole truth. Why can’t you guys understand that Lanny H’s job is to dig up the dirt that the other golf websites just will NOT cover. Get that through your heads. You can’t just blow it out about a subject about which you are totally clueless.

  2. lannyh says:

    I don’t follow. The question is whether Rory RIGHT NOW is better than Woods EVER WAS. The answer is that Rory is better than Woods ever was.

    • Anonymous says:

      It’s the same argument as Jack/Tiger. Tiger “plays a game that Jack is unfamiliar with”; yet Jack as more majors. Rory may be better than TW ever was but Tiger has won more than Rory ever has. In golf, you win by playing at a higher level than everyone else. Rory may have a higher ceiling but so far Tiger has been at his high level a lot more than Rory.

      • lannyh says:

        Woods didn’t compete against Jack until Jack was nearly 50. Rory was 20 and matched (basically) Woods in his prime.

      • Anonymous says:

        Rory in 7 years on the PGA tour has 4 majors and 9 overall wins. Tiger in his first 7 years on tour had 8 majors and 32 wins. Rory has a great game. Tiger brought his great game a lot more often. Rory might be better….but…TW brought his better game a lot more often than Rory does.

  3. Anonymous says:

    Folks !!! Here it is!!!! says LannyH Gump er Goof er golf??? The only proof here is what an idiot this guy is. Everyone other than this clown knows that Tiger has not been healthy since early 2008 at the soonest. Since that time ,during his far less than prime years, Tiger and Rory have played in 20 majors together. Heads up in those 20 events Tiger is 12-8-1 versus Rory. It is fact and you can look it up. So an injured Tiger, playing not nearly at his best, has outperformed Rory McIlroy. If he can get his health back anywhere near 100 % McIlroy is toast!

  4. Fernando says:

    Once again Lanny has displayed selective memory when attempting to make a point. By your current logic, since Rory finished 2 shots back of tiger, AND since it is a universally accepted truth that Rory is much better today than in 2009, therefore Rory is better than tiger ever was. Well, do you know who finished 2 shots back of Rory in 2009? Martin Kymer and henrik stenson. Can anyone debate that these two players are much better today than they were in 2009? By the “Lanny logic”, henrik and kymer must too be better than tiger ever was. Lanny just admit that you and brandel chamblee are the founding members of the “I hate tiger woods club”. I have never seen anyone work so hard to discredit someone.

    • lannyh says:

      Dude, go see a psychiatrist. Rory was 20, like I said. At age 20, Rory was equal, basically, to Woods in his prime. Stenson is roughly the same age as Woods. As for Kaymer, he’s likely at or or near Woods’s peak, but no one is saying he is at Rory’s level, at least not yet.

      • Anonymous says:

        Woods was trying to come back too early from a horrible injury. He was nowhere close to his prime. It was one four day tournament so proved nothing. In his next two majors McIlroy was cut which points out the biggest problem with your silly comparison . McIlroy is VERY inconsistent . Also his performance in non – major tournaments has not even been in the same universe as Tiger’s.

      • lannyh says:

        Woods was Player of the Year and won the FedEx Cup. Oops, so much for your theory.

        Nice try, though.

      • Anonymous says:

        For most players that would be their prime but not for Tiger,not by a long shot. decent year but nowhere near his best. sorry Lanny . looks like your stupidity has been exposed…..AGAIN!

  5. Anonymous says:

    Dude, Y.A. Yang beat both of them so its basically down to two men. Jack Nicjlaus and Y.A. Yang !

    • Scratch1957 says:

      Listen: Ben Hogan is considered by many golf critics to have been the greatest player in golf history. Jack, when asked if TW was the best ball striker he had ever seen, said “Oh no, Hogan, easily.” Get this: Hogan was NOT a cheater! TW WAS a cheater, and he still is. Tim Finchem just won’t “out him” because he is the most corrupt pro sports commissioner in history, worse even than Bud Selig of MLB, who waited until his LAST year in office to apply the MLB rules. Therefore, many home run records are tainted and have no merit whatsoever! Just think about Barry Bonds.

      • Anonymous says:

        never before seen that quote attributed to Nicklaus. You have zero proof of Woods cheating. His mental dominance and playing ability were evident to any non-idiot well before he joined the PGA Tour . He won 3 consecutive US Amateurs as a teen . noone else has achieved that monumental milestone for good reason. he is simply the greatest to ever play the game of golf.

  6. Anonymous says:

    Lanny Goof refuses to respond to the FACT that Tiger is 11-8-1 HEADS UP against his hero in majors . I didn’t include the major where McIlroy was an amateur out of fairness to him. Since Goof likes to include it , the record is 12-8-1 Woods favor.

    • lannyh says:

      What’s to respond to? Rory has won four majors in the past four years, Woods is winless in, what, five, six, years? Not only that, but the discussion is about peak performance. Rory’s peak is at a higher level than Woods. Sorry, dude, that’s just the way it is. Insult me all you want, whine all you want. Nothing’s going to chanbe.

  7. Anonymous says:

    Tiger has won 79 of 316 starts on PGA Tour . He was one 1 of every FOUR tournaments entered. McIlroy has won 9 of 87 PGA Tour events entered. Barely better than one of every TEN tournaments entered. Can’t even make comparison because they are so far apart. Since Lanny Goof likes to talk about “pace” I’ll give you the numbers . Rory is on pace to win a little under 35 tournaments after playing in the same number of events as Tiger. Less than HALF the number of wins that Tiger has. VERY respectable numbers BUT NOT Tiger Woods numbers by a LONG shot!!!

    • lannyh says:

      Okay, read my lips. Rory is at a higher level than Woods ever reached. Monty said it. I proved it.

      Your stats don’t address the facts. It’s nice that Woods won tournaments, but it has no bearing on what Rory is doing now. Again, Rory as a kid, for crying out loud, hung with POY Woods. You can’t spin that away.

      By the way, you do realize posting here is a privilege and childish insults is the way that privilege is lost?

      • Anonymous says:

        A kid ,for crying out loud, named Johnny Miller beat a prime Jack Nicklaus at Oakmont There you have it . Proof positive that Johnny Miller is better than Jack ever was!! Merry Christmas from LannyH retard in 1973. How did that work out?

  8. Anonymous says:

    Since Rory is now better than Tiger Woods ever was I know I will find his name here:

    Lowest Adjusted Vardon Trophy Scoring Averages
    (Note: Adjusted averages have only been calculated since 1988)
    67.79 – Tiger Woods, 2000
    67.79 – Tiger Woods, 2007
    68.05 – Tiger Woods, 2009
    68.41 – Tiger Woods, 2003
    68.43 – Tiger Woods, 1999
    68.56 – Tiger Woods, 2002
    68.65 – Vijay Singh, 2003
    68.66 – Tiger Woods, 2005
    68.81 – Greg Norman, 1994
    68.81 – Tiger Woods, 2001

    WHAT !!!! No Rory?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? I don’t get it . He’s better than Tiger EVER was! His name has to be on THIS list . It should be at the top in fact because he is playing at the highest level EVER. I don’t understand !!!?????!!! SOMETHING ????? is not adding up. (SSSHHHHHHH!!!!! don’t tell anybody that Monty and LannyH Gump are just idiot trolls making sh@t up}

    • lannyh says:

      You’re not the brightest candle on the cake, are you?
      Let me make this easy for you. There are a lot of horses that have won more races than Secretariat, but no horse has ever run at Secretariat’s level. Rory is Secretariat.
      This is really tearing you up, isn’t it?

  9. Fernando says:

    Lanny, please tell me that you are being as provocative as you are for the purposes of inciting the kind of reaction you are getting and drawing readers to your site. I would truly respect you if that were the case. If, however, you honestly believe that comparing the peak performance of tiger and Rory, you conclude that Rory is better than he ever was, then you quite possibly are the thickest person I have ever wasted reading time on, Andre this point, you are just embarrassing yourself. If by “peak performance” you mean the measure of each golfer when they are playing their best, then it stands to reason that the benchmark for tiger would be year 2000. At his “peak performance” tiger won 9 events and 3 majors, followed by the fourth consecutive major the following April. If you contend that this current year is Rory’s peak performance, he won 2 majors last year and not much else. Am I missing something? Do you measure peak performance by including some other metric other than wins, scoring average, top 10’s etc? By all these measures, Rory’s 2014 pales in comparison. What the heck do you mean by peak performance? Do you agree that tigers peak was 2000?

    • lannyh says:

      Woods never won a pro event as a teenager. Rory set the US Open scoring record. Rory hits the ball farther than Woods did. Monty has recently pointed out that Rory is better than Woods ever was. I don’t understand why you torture yourself trying to cling to your fantasy that Woods was some kind of uber golfer.

      Time marches on. While no one has yet risen to the level of Jack or Secretariat, someday someone will.

      • Anonymous says:

        Yep, Rory’s best is clearly better than TW’s best. Rory just can’t play at that level as often as TW played at his and therefore doesn’t win as often.

    • Scratch1957 says:

      TW used banned PEDs very early:
      Tiger was a user even in his “great” years (2000-2001). There was no PGA Tour drug policy until 2007 when Gary Player blew the whistle at the British Open and said some of these guys are using PEDs. The so-called drug policy went into effect in July 2008, just after Woods beat poor Rocco Mediate in that extended playoff to win the U.S. Open. Rocco said no ordinary human being should be able to play that well on “one leg” (just preceding one of his 4 knee surgeries). Well, TW wasn’t an ordinary human being: he seemed to be high as a kite on PEDs – just before the drug policy went into effect. I have read quotes from Jose’ Conseco about the effect PEDs give a user. He said that he was already good, but that the PEDs made him feel invincible. The PGA Tour uses only on-site urine tests. Every sports medicine doctor knows how to beat urine tests. Furthermore, TW isn’t the only user on the Tour. Tim Finchen will never release the Miami Biogenesis Clinic list unless there is a court order. Finally, before this last baseball season, Bud Selig apparently obtained such a list and suspended a bevy of players for 52 games — and A-Rod for a season. Lance Armstrong even beat blood tests. He finally confessed on the Oprah Winfrey show.
      Btw: Hogan was better than any of these guys.

  10. Fernando says:

    Lanny in the words of john McEnroe “you cannot be serious!!!” You keep quoting Rory winning as a teenager. He won a European tour event at 19 almost 20. The European tour is not (I repeat NOT) the pga tour. Also, you quote that he set a U.S. open record. On this, you are correct, but once again, use this fact like a drunk uses a light post – more for support than for illumination. 16 under is a u.s open record, but he won by 8 strokes – a dominant performance to be sure, but I would submit that tigers 2000 u.s open at pebble beach, where he won by 15 strokes, finishing at 12 under when the nearest chaser finished over par at +3 is far more impressive and dominant. The year Rory finished at 16 under, many players finished under par. Clearly the course was set up easy. Your other point is that Rory drives it farther than tiger. Now you’re just embarrassing yourself. Lots of players drive it longer than tiger. That is NOT a measure of peak performance. Finally, you lean on a comment from Monty??? Are you aware that he is not the universally accepted authority on all things golf? Can you quote a single other tour pro that thinks Rory is better than tiger ever was? Name one. I would say you scraped the bottom of the barrel to come up with support for your arguement, but you have burrowed right through the bottom and begun digging dirt below the barrel.

    • Anonymous says:

      Sir ,you are using logic and making solid point after solid point . this is not allowed on LannyH Goof’s website. this website only exists to use fictitious information to show that Tiger is no longer any good and never was . so says LannyH Gump and if you disagree then you are wrong.

      • lannyh says:

        You need to get a grip on your emotions. I say Rory is better than Woods ever was, and you interpret that as Woods “never was any good.” There are a LOT of good players who were never as good as Rory is right now.

        You sound like you are too emotionally invested in Woods to think rationally.

      • Anonymous says:

        you sound like you’re to much of an idiot to respond rationally

  11. Scratch1957 says:

    When you say that it’s a battle between Jack and Rory, you have forgotten Ben Hogan! He was in my lifetime. I saw him play 3 times and once in a movie. Lanny H, you know a lot of golf history. Many golf critics consider Hogan to be the greatest player of all time! James Dodson’s bio is very good; but he misses quite a few things including the assertion that Hogan didn’t show up for the 1957 U.S.Open. But 5 of my friends and I were there. We still have movies of his nailing 4-wood shots at his ball-boy’s feet. However, there is a book that digs quite a bit deeper; namely, GOLF COURSES OF THE U.S. OPEN, edited by David Barrett, published by Abrams: http://www.abramsbooks.com (in New York, N.Y.). It’s worth every penny for any one who is actually interested in golf history. A lot of people sound-off on your great website, but many of them don’t have a clue about golf history. Get a grip, golf fans, learn about golf history!

    • lannyh says:

      Yes, Hogan very likely was the best ever. He went 3 for 3 in majors one year, and everyone makes a big deal that Woods went 3 of 4. He also had a stretch of what, 6 of 9 majors? I read the book by Curt Samson and was amazed.

      You were at the 1957 Open? That’s cool! Thanks for the book recommendation. I’ll read a couple of golf books this spring/summer, and I just put that one at the top of my list.

      • Scratch 1957 says:

        In May 1967, the editor of Cary Middlecoff’s 1974 book The Golf Swing watched every shot that 54-year-old Hogan hit in the Colonial National Invitational in Fort Worth, Texas.
        “Hogan shot 281 for a third-place tie with George Archer. Of the 281 shots, 141 were taken in reaching the greens. Of the 141, 139 were rated from well-executed to superbly executed. The remaining two were a drive that missed the fairway by some 5 yards and a 5-iron to a par-3 hole that missed the green by about the same distance. It was difficult, if not impossible to conceive of anybody hitting the ball better over a four-day span.”
        I read about Hogan’s hitting a 600 yard par five in two at Colonial. (That was before Colonial was redesigned and made into an easier course. We played the hard course in 1957 but from the regular tees.) He did with two driver shots. No one living today could do that with persimmon-headed drivers and steel shafts. I do not think that Snead could have done it, either. He had the length, but, I think, not the accuracy. Many people think that, before the present era in which men’s golf is no longer the real thing, that 300 yard drives began with Jack. They didn’t. But Jack was “Mr.Air-Ball.” And
        those “old guys” used equipment I wish that the PGA, the USGA, and the R&A had made standard — forever. We would then have had a much better game.
        As you well know, this means he averaged 35 putts a round. Suppose he averaged 30 putts which I think is slightly worse than the PGA Tour average. He would have only produced 261 for the tournament—avg. 65 a round and would have won by probably around 15 strokes. Hard to believe any golfer ever, at any age, could execute like this for four days. [At ths time, Hogan was nearly blind in his left eye – his dominant eye -because his collision with the Greyhound Bus.]

        Lanny H: I told you recently that I saw Hogan in 1954 and 1955 (at the Masters) and in 1957 (at the U.S. Open). But I forgot to tell you that I also saw him at the 1958 U.S. Open at Southern Hills. He played two rounds with Gary Player. Tommy Bolt (a great admirer of Hogan) won that time. I have recommended a book to you that you said you would read. Here’s another one that has fantastic pictures of Hogan’s swing and several excellent articles about him: The Hogan
        Mystique; published by The American Golfer, Inc. and edited by Martin Davis, Editor and Publisher. You can go online to find it. If you don’t suceed, I will send a copy free if you give me an address. You can be sure that I will never disclose your address to anyone – ever. There is another book that I recommend: The Match by Mark Frost, published by Hyperion, New York in 2007. The quote on the back cover is by Ken Venturi, who says: “The Match was a dream I never thought would come true. … No one will ever see an event like this again. Fiction can’t touch it.”

      • lannyh says:

        I’ve read “The Match” and really enjoyed it. A great description of the golf history in California’s Monterey area and pro golf’s early days.

    • Hennyb says:

      Hogan was also the only player since Willie Anderson to win three straight U.S. Open Titles, 1948,1950, and 1951. He didn’t play in the 1949 U.S. Open due to the accident. He is also the only player to win 5 U.S. Opens as well. He won it in 1942 but the USGA did not “count it” due to WWII and the prize purse being to low, although Hogan was issued the traditional U.S. Open Victory Medal. Hogan also has the best winning percentage of all time. People forget after the crash he only played in five or six tournaments a year and the only majors he played in were the Masters and the US Open. He was one for one at his one and only attempt at a British Open 1953.

  12. Scratch1957 says:

    It is Lanny H’s purpose to tell the truth, nothing but the truth and the whole truth:
    Las Vegas

    We talked about Tiger’s injuries a long time ago. Now I am talking YEARS ago — long before the girlfriend scandals emerged or anything of the kind, when Tiger was just tearing things up on tour. Living in Vegas I have the opportunity to know a lot of PGA golfers very well, and at the time they were all quietly talking about how Tiger was enjoying a “pharmaceutical edge.”
    Now, it’s pretty much common knowledge that he was using, and that his body is now breaking down as a result, right before our eyes. As for new revelations? Same old stuff. I think we are all in on the joke now.

    From a former TW fan:

    In case the tone of this comment is confusing, I’d just like to clarify that it is copy and pasted from a message I posted on a Tiger Woods forum. Thanks:
    I’d like to prelude the main agenda of this post by stating that I have been an enormous Tiger Woods fan for just about thirteen years now. His brilliance first came to my attention when he massacred the field in the 2000 US Open at Pebble Beach by an eye-watering fifteen strokes, and my devotion has never wavered, even with some of the unpleasant happenings off the golf course which have transpired since that fateful night in November 2009.
    It is precisely because he has meant so much to me throughout my childhood, and now into my twenties, that this has been so hard to admit. However, the time for denial is over, and my true feelings must come to the fore. OK, here it goes… unfortunately, and I really do mean unfortunately, I believe that Tiger was using performance enhancing drugs for at least a few years during his storied career. If I had to guess, going by the remarkable transformation in his physique, I would say he began taking shortcuts at some point between late 2002 (around the time of the surgery that forced him out of competition for a couple of months) and 2005, carrying on either until 2008 (when the PGA Tour’s doping policy came into play) or late 2009 (when Dr Anthony Galea was found out to be a supplier of PEDs).
    There are just way, way too many coincidences for this not to be the case. Please allow me to state my case:
    1. The most obvious piece of evidence comes from sheer, hard facts. Tiger Woods hired a Canadian doctor who was a known distributor of PEDs such as HGH to carry out plasma rich therapy at his Florida home. WHY on earth would you do that when there is an abundance of qualified therapists much nearer to home? Upon his return to the Masters in 2010, Tiger was asked what procedure(s) Dr Galea performed during his rehab from the ACL tear. What he should have been asked was “Why did you hire a known PED distributor in the first place?” He was really let off the hook there, and it’s incredible that more hasn’t been more made of this since. So many top sportsmen share doctor’s, lawyer’s, dentist’s etc, so it’s highly dubious, to put it mildly, that so many of Dr Galea’s patients have been found guilty of taking banned substances, yet we are supposed to believe that the number one golfer in the world and possibly of all time is one of the only clean ones. This alone should raise red flags in even the most ardent of Tiger’s followers. However, there’s more…
    2. The PGA Tour began their anti-doping policy on July 1st, 2008, at the AT&T National [Thanks to Gary Player at the 2007 British Open]. Tiger’s last appearance of the season was between the 12th-15th June, in the US Open at Torrey Pines. The next event he would have played, if not for the torn ACL, would have been… yep, you guessed it. Now it would be ludicrous to claim that the injury and subsequent surgery was all a sham, so I’m not going to go down that route. Tiger claimed he had been playing with an injury since July 2007, which I’m willing to go with. However, my belief is that PEDs such as testosterone and steroids are exactly what helped Tiger play through the injury [Poor Rocco Mediate] and it is because these were no longer viable options with the new policy in place that there was no choice but to have the surgery and look to heal naturally (at least for the most part). [After his recent microdiscectomy, TW has NOT been tested. Gee, I wonder why. The PGA Tour uses only on-site urine tests. Any sports medicine doc knows how to beat those – the Chinese do it all the time.]
    Supporting this claim is the fact that Tiger’s rapid physical transformation (3) from 2005 or so through 2008 became a lot more apparent from the summer of 2007 onwards (remember the almost superhuman physique displayed in the tight red shirt on Sunday at Oakmont?). If he did injure himself in the summer of 2007, it would make sense to up the dosage of PEDs in order to heal more quickly and be able to play through the pain barrier.
    So, am I saying that all of Tiger’s success was built on a foundation of lies? Not really. [It Was.] I don’t believe he was juicing earlier in his career (BUT HE WAS), such as in 2000, which is rightly considered to be his finest year of Tour. With or without enhancements he would have been the greatest player in the world [At That Time], just maybe not by quite such an astonishing distance.
    Many people say that steroids, testosterone, HGH etc. would be of little use to a golfer. This is true when looking at individual facets of the game in isolation, such as driving distance, iron play and short game. [Totally False] However, what they forget is that PEDs help with your endurance and therefore allow you to train harder. [No. There is an actual physical effect]. How can it not be an advantage to have the physical stamina to practice for eight hours a day rather than four? [TW used this part of the effect to do Navy Seal training,]
    Recovery time after exertion is also sped up dramatically, so you can be at your best every single week. It’s interesting that as Tiger increased in size and was at his most physically impressive, he was suddenly able to put himself in contention every single week. Look at the absurd level of consistency from 2006-2009 and compare it to that of 2001-2002, two hugely impressive years but nowhere nearly as consistent. Post-2009/Dr G, Tiger had begun to have many more off-weeks where he doesn’t even come close to winning, which is understandable as physical energy levels wax and wane. This can be explained in 2010 and 2011 through swing changes, personal trauma etc. but not so much from 2012 onwards, where he clearly has the game to play the lights out but can’t do so on a consistent basis. Not being quite as fresh from day-to-day due to lack of enhancements will do that to you.
    Another, much under-appreciated benefit of PED’s is the MENTAL well-being they provide. What do steroids, testosterone and HGH all have in common? They make you feel youthful, confident and capable of achieving anything. Take a cocktail of all three and you start to feel bulletproof. If you walk around in a state of euphoria believing you are the man, then you are much more likely to hit that great drive or hole that clutch putt on the 72nd hole under the most intense pressure. Without the added help, these things won’t come quite as easily (notice how the clutch putting has almost evaporated in recent years?)
    Tiger has always been known as a terrific closer of tournaments. However, it may surprise you to learn that when he was a wiry young man, not pumped full of exogenous testosterone and anabolic steroids, he was much more prone to hitting poor shots under pressure (relating to my ‘confidence’ point above).
    2000-2001 is considered by many to be his finest stretch, but think about some of the crazy shots that were hit during the business end of tournaments:
    – The drive that was sliced miles right on the 2nd hole of the 2000 PGA playoff against Bob May, which would have resulted in a bogey if for not the tremendous slice of luck afforded on the 2nd shot, in which Tiger’s ball hit the cart path and trundled on over the green into par-saving territory.
    – The even worse drive on the 3rd and final playoff hole which would have been unplayable had some kid not thrown in out of the wilderness back down the cart path. This was one of the most fortunate playoff victories of all time.
    – 2001 Bay Hill Invitational – 16th hole, final round: Tiger hits it 2 feet from OB. Then hits another disastrous tee shot on the 18th which only avoids going OB as a spectator gets in the way! [They did this for Arnie, too!]
    – 2001 NEC Invitational – Only requires par on the final hour to beat Furyk, yet somehow manages to miss the green with a pitching wedge from the center of the fairway and winds up with a bogey. Hits two or three woeful drives in the playoff but is fortunate as each result in playable seconds, and can also thank his lucky stars that Furyk misses a multitude of makable birdie putts which would have put the tournament to bed. Wins on the 7th extra hole.
    – 2001 Dubai Desert Classic – Shocking drive on the final hole, ending in a huge upset as Thomas Bjorn slays the mighty Tiger.
    – In general, Tiger would often bogey the final hole of a tournament when he was in the lead, albeit sometimes when his nearest challenger had to birdie it. This is a trait which has returned post-Galea.
    When did this ever happen once Tiger had bulked up? (And in my opinion was on this cocktail of confidence boosters). Think Hank Haney era basically. The only example I can muster is the bogey-bogey finish at the 2005 Masters, but I think Tiger always finds it tough to win the first major after a drought, it wouldn’t be human not to feel nervous, testosterone or no testosterone. Back nine of 1999 PGA and the lost opportunities in recent years are cases in point.
    So, given my assertion that Tiger wasn’t juicing during some of the best years of this career, and therefore was clearly the best golfer in the world either way, why would he use anything? My belief is that the pressure of winning majors and passing Jack started to take its toll at some point during the early to mid 2000s (which is alluded to by Hank Haney in ‘The Big Miss’ actually), so external ways of finding supreme confidence were required. As I said earlier, if you’re taking testosterone, HGH and steroids, you’ll feel like nothing is out of reach – wouldn’t you love to stand over a 15 foot putt to win a major feeling that way?
    I would ask the administrator(s) here to please give this thread a chance. Tiger Woods is my sporting hero, and it pains me to write what I have. This isn’t intended as a windup and certainly isn’t written with the intention of citing hatred and/or anger. All I want is a reasonable discussion on the matter. I want more than anything in the world to believe that Tiger was a clean athlete (I have no doubt that he is now [REALLY?]) so if any of the great members here can convince me then that’s fantastic. I’d like to hear from both ends of the spectrum really, from Tiger fans who believe that the PED accusations are are a load of hot air [But they are on the record of the Biogenesis Clinic in Miami and that lap dog Tim Finchen won’t release them, of course] and from those who may confess to having doubts on our [Yours, pal, not mine!] hero’s legacy. Questioning doesn’t make you any less of a fan, it’s only natural to ask questions and to live in a state of blind adoration is very dangerous indeed.
    Thank you very much for reading, I appreciate it. [Name of this good man not given.]
    Lanny H

    Woods and Galea visited each other 14 times. Woods also met with him and his associate a combined 63 times from September 2008 to October 2009 and more than $200,000 was paid to Galea by Woods for medical treatments.

    Las Vegas

    We talked about Tiger’s injuries a long time ago. Now I am talking YEARS ago — long before the girlfriend scandals emerged or anything of the kind, when Tiger was just tearing things up on tour. Living in Vegas I have the opportunity to know a lot of PGA golfers very well, and at the time they were all quietly talking about how Tiger was enjoying a “pharmaceutical edge.”
    Now, it’s pretty much common knowledge that he was using, and that his body is now breaking down as a result, right before our eyes. As for new revelations? Same old stuff. I think we are all in on the joke now.

    From a former TW fan:

    In case the tone of this comment is confusing, I’d just like to clarify that it is copy and pasted from a message I posted on a Tiger Woods forum. Thanks:
    I’d like to prelude the main agenda of this post by stating that I have been an enormous Tiger Woods fan for just about thirteen years now. His brilliance first came to my attention when he massacred the field in the 2000 US Open at Pebble Beach by an eye-watering fifteen strokes, and my devotion has never wavered, even with some of the unpleasant happenings off the golf course which have transpired since that fateful night in November 2009.
    It is precisely because he has meant so much to me throughout my childhood, and now into my twenties, that this has been so hard to admit. However, the time for denial is over, and my true feelings must come to the fore. OK, here it goes… unfortunately, and I really do mean unfortunately, I believe that Tiger was using performance enhancing drugs for at least a few years during his storied career. If I had to guess, going by the remarkable transformation in his physique, I would say he began taking shortcuts at some point between late 2002 (around the time of the surgery that forced him out of competition for a couple of months) and 2005, carrying on either until 2008 (when the PGA Tour’s doping policy came into play) or late 2009 (when Dr Anthony Galea was found out to be a supplier of PEDs).
    There are just way, way too many coincidences for this not to be the case. Please allow me to state my case:
    1. The most obvious piece of evidence comes from sheer, hard facts. Tiger Woods hired a Canadian doctor who was a known distributor of PEDs such as HGH to carry out plasma rich therapy at his Florida home. WHY on earth would you do that when there is an abundance of qualified therapists much nearer to home? Upon his return to the Masters in 2010, Tiger was asked what procedure(s) Dr Galea performed during his rehab from the ACL tear. What he should have been asked was “Why did you hire a known PED distributor in the first place?” He was really let off the hook there, and it’s incredible that more hasn’t been more made of this since. So many top sportsmen share doctor’s, lawyer’s, dentist’s etc, so it’s highly dubious, to put it mildly, that so many of Dr Galea’s patients have been found guilty of taking banned substances, yet we are supposed to believe that the number one golfer in the world and possibly of all time is one of the only clean ones. This alone should raise red flags in even the most ardent of Tiger’s followers. However, there’s more…
    2. The PGA Tour began their anti-doping policy on July 1st, 2008, at the AT&T National [Thanks to Gary Player at the 2007 British Open]. Tiger’s last appearance of the season was between the 12th-15th June, in the US Open at Torrey Pines. The next event he would have played, if not for the torn ACL, would have been… yep, you guessed it. Now it would be ludicrous to claim that the injury and subsequent surgery was all a sham, so I’m not going to go down that route. Tiger claimed he had been playing with an injury since July 2007, which I’m willing to go with. However, my belief is that PEDs such as testosterone and steroids are exactly what helped Tiger play through the injury [Poor Rocco Mediate] and it is because these were no longer viable options with the new policy in place that there was no choice but to have the surgery and look to heal naturally (at least for the most part). [After his recent microdiscectomy, TW has NOT been tested. Gee, I wonder why. The PGA Tour uses only on-site urine tests. Any sports medicine doc knows how to beat those – the Chinese do it all the time.]
    Supporting this claim is the fact that Tiger’s rapid physical transformation (3) from 2005 or so through 2008 became a lot more apparent from the summer of 2007 onwards (remember the almost superhuman physique displayed in the tight red shirt on Sunday at Oakmont?). If he did injure himself in the summer of 2007, it would make sense to up the dosage of PEDs in order to heal more quickly and be able to play through the pain barrier.
    So, am I saying that all of Tiger’s success was built on a foundation of lies? Not really. [It Was.] I don’t believe he was juicing earlier in his career (BUT HE WAS), such as in 2000, which is rightly considered to be his finest year of Tour. With or without enhancements he would have been the greatest player in the world [At That Time], just maybe not by quite such an astonishing distance.
    Many people say that steroids, testosterone, HGH etc. would be of little use to a golfer. This is true when looking at individual facets of the game in isolation, such as driving distance, iron play and short game. [Totally False] However, what they forget is that PEDs help with your endurance and therefore allow you to train harder. [No. There is an actual physical effect]. How can it not be an advantage to have the physical stamina to practice for eight hours a day rather than four? [TW used this part of the effect to do Navy Seal training,]
    Recovery time after exertion is also sped up dramatically, so you can be at your best every single week. It’s interesting that as Tiger increased in size and was at his most physically impressive, he was suddenly able to put himself in contention every single week. Look at the absurd level of consistency from 2006-2009 and compare it to that of 2001-2002, two hugely impressive years but nowhere nearly as consistent. Post-2009/Dr G, Tiger had begun to have many more off-weeks where he doesn’t even come close to winning, which is understandable as physical energy levels wax and wane. This can be explained in 2010 and 2011 through swing changes, personal trauma etc. but not so much from 2012 onwards, where he clearly has the game to play the lights out but can’t do so on a consistent basis. Not being quite as fresh from day-to-day due to lack of enhancements will do that to you.
    Another, much under-appreciated benefit of PED’s is the MENTAL well-being they provide. What do steroids, testosterone and HGH all have in common? They make you feel youthful, confident and capable of achieving anything. Take a cocktail of all three and you start to feel bulletproof. If you walk around in a state of euphoria believing you are the man, then you are much more likely to hit that great drive or hole that clutch putt on the 72nd hole under the most intense pressure. Without the added help, these things won’t come quite as easily (notice how the clutch putting has almost evaporated in recent years?)
    Tiger has always been known as a terrific closer of tournaments. However, it may surprise you to learn that when he was a wiry young man, not pumped full of exogenous testosterone and anabolic steroids, he was much more prone to hitting poor shots under pressure (relating to my ‘confidence’ point above).
    2000-2001 is considered by many to be his finest stretch, but think about some of the crazy shots that were hit during the business end of tournaments:
    – The drive that was sliced miles right on the 2nd hole of the 2000 PGA playoff against Bob May, which would have resulted in a bogey if for not the tremendous slice of luck afforded on the 2nd shot, in which Tiger’s ball hit the cart path and trundled on over the green into par-saving territory.
    – The even worse drive on the 3rd and final playoff hole which would have been unplayable had some kid not thrown in out of the wilderness back down the cart path. This was one of the most fortunate playoff victories of all time.
    – 2001 Bay Hill Invitational – 16th hole, final round: Tiger hits it 2 feet from OB. Then hits another disastrous tee shot on the 18th which only avoids going OB as a spectator gets in the way! [They did this for Arnie, too!]
    – 2001 NEC Invitational – Only requires par on the final hour to beat Furyk, yet somehow manages to miss the green with a pitching wedge from the center of the fairway and winds up with a bogey. Hits two or three woeful drives in the playoff but is fortunate as each result in playable seconds, and can also thank his lucky stars that Furyk misses a multitude of makable birdie putts which would have put the tournament to bed. Wins on the 7th extra hole.
    – 2001 Dubai Desert Classic – Shocking drive on the final hole, ending in a huge upset as Thomas Bjorn slays the mighty Tiger.
    – In general, Tiger would often bogey the final hole of a tournament when he was in the lead, albeit sometimes when his nearest challenger had to birdie it. This is a trait which has returned post-Galea.
    When did this ever happen once Tiger had bulked up? (And in my opinion was on this cocktail of confidence boosters). Think Hank Haney era basically. The only example I can muster is the bogey-bogey finish at the 2005 Masters, but I think Tiger always finds it tough to win the first major after a drought, it wouldn’t be human not to feel nervous, testosterone or no testosterone. Back nine of 1999 PGA and the lost opportunities in recent years are cases in point.
    So, given my assertion that Tiger wasn’t juicing during some of the best years of this career, and therefore was clearly the best golfer in the world either way, why would he use anything? My belief is that the pressure of winning majors and passing Jack started to take its toll at some point during the early to mid 2000s (which is alluded to by Hank Haney in ‘The Big Miss’ actually), so external ways of finding supreme confidence were required. As I said earlier, if you’re taking testosterone, HGH and steroids, you’ll feel like nothing is out of reach – wouldn’t you love to stand over a 15 foot putt to win a major feeling that way?
    I would ask the administrator(s) here to please give this thread a chance. Tiger Woods is my sporting hero, and it pains me to write what I have. This isn’t intended as a windup and certainly isn’t written with the intention of citing hatred and/or anger. All I want is a reasonable discussion on the matter. I want more than anything in the world to believe that Tiger was a clean athlete (I have no doubt that he is now [REALLY?]) so if any of the great members here can convince me then that’s fantastic. I’d like to hear from both ends of the spectrum really, from Tiger fans who believe that the PED accusations are are a load of hot air [But they are on the record of the Biogenesis Clinic in Miami and that lap dog Tim Finchen won’t release them, of course] and from those who may confess to having doubts on our [Yours, pal, not mine!] hero’s legacy. Questioning doesn’t make you any less of a fan, it’s only natural to ask questions and to live in a state of blind adoration is very dangerous indeed.
    Thank you very much for reading, I appreciate it. [Name of this good man not given.]
    Lanny H

    Woods and Galea visited each other 14 times. Woods also met with him and his associate a combined 63 times from September 2008 to October 2009 and more than $200,000 was paid to Galea by Woods for medical treatments.

  13. Anonymous says:

    Bollocks

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